Modded Car - Oil Advice!

oilman

Member
If you are "modding" your car and adding BHP then consider your oil choice carefully as the stock manufacturers recommended oil will not give you the protection that your engine requires.

A standard oil will not be thermally stable enough to cope with higher temperatures without "shearing" meaning that the oil will not give the same protection after a couple of thousand miles as it it when it was new.

Let’s start with the fundamentals. An engine is a device for converting fuel into motive power. Car enthusiasts get so deep into the details they lose sight of this!

To get more power, an engine must be modified such that it converts more fuel per minute into power than it did in standard form. To produce 6.6 million foot-pounds per minute of power (ie 200 BHP) a modern engine will burn about 0.5 litres of fuel per minute.(Equivalent to 18mpg at 120mph). So, to increase this output to 300BHP or 9.9 million foot-pounds per minute it must be modified to burn (in theory) 0.75 litres.
However, fuel efficiency often goes out of the window when power is the only consideration, so the true fuel burn will be rather more than 0.75 litres/min.

That’s the fundamental point, here’s the fundamental problem:

Less than 30% of the fuel (assuming it’s petrol) is converted to all those foot-pounds. The rest is thrown away as waste heat. True, most of it goes down the exhaust, but over 10% has to be eliminated from the engine internals, and the first line of defence is the oil.

More power means a bigger heat elimination problem. Every component runs hotter; For instance, piston crowns and rings will be running at 280-300C instead of a more normal 240-260C, so it is essential that the oil films on cylinder walls provide an efficient heat path to the block casting, and finally to the coolant.

Any breakdown or carbonisation of the oil will restrict the heat transfer area, leading to serious overheating.

A modern synthetic lubricant based on true temperature-resistant synthetics is essential for long-term reliability. At 250C+, a mineral or hydrocracked mineral oil, particularly a 5W/X or 10W/X grade, is surprisingly volatile, and an oil film around this temperature will be severely depleted by evaporation loss.

Back in the 1970s the solution was to use a thick oil, typically 20W/50; in the late1980s even 10W/60 grades were used. But in modern very high RPM engines with efficient high-delivery oil pumps thick oils waste power, and impede heat transfer in some situations.

A light viscosity good synthetic formulated for severe competition use is the logical and intelligent choice for the 21st century.
You must seriously consider a "true" synthetic for "shear stability" and the right level of protection.

Petroleum oils tend to have low resistance to “shearing” because petroleum oils are made with light weight basestocks to begin with, they tend to burn off easily in high temperature conditions which causes deposit formation and oil consumption.

As a result of excessive oil burning and susceptibility to shearing (as well as other factors) petroleum oils must be changed more frequently than synthetics.

True synthetic oils (PAO’s and Esters) contain basically no waxy contamination to cause crystallization and oil thickening at cold temperatures. In addition, synthetic basestocks do not thin out very much as temperatures increase. So, pour point depressants are unnecessary and higher viscosity basestock fluids can be used which will still meet the "W" requirements for pumpability.

Hence, little or no VI improver additive would need to be used to meet the sae 30, 40 or 50 classification while still meeting 0W or 5W requirements.

The end result is that very little shearing occurs within true synthetic oils because they are not "propped up" with viscosity index improvers. There simply is no place to shear back to. In fact, this is easy to prove by just comparing synthetic and petroleum oils of the same grade.

Of course, the obvious result is that your oil remains "in grade" for a much longer period of time for better engine protection and longer oil life.

If you would like advice then please feel free to ask.

Cheers
Guy
 

oilman

Member
campbellju said:
Given all that, what oil and oil rating would you recommend for a highly modified GtiR?
10w-50 ester based full synthetic if you want to look after your GTI-R also very good when being used on track or spirited driving as ester are shear and thermally stable.

Cheers

Guy.
 

mattygti-r

New Member
yep lots of my mates have ordered via "Oil man" indeed everything is next day deliveyr :) top man!

my oil change is due end of hte month, just waiting for some snazy filters to arrive from japan then im ordering from you!

:lol:
 

oilman

Member
mattygti-r said:
yep lots of my mates have ordered via "Oil man" indeed everything is next day deliveyr :) top man!

my oil change is due end of hte month, just waiting for some snazy filters to arrive from japan then im ordering from you!

:lol:
Look forward to it mate. just call on 01209 215164 office hours when you are ready.:thumbs:

Cheers

Guy.
 
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MarkMc

Guest
Ive got Castrol Formual R synthetic 10w - 60, Is this any good for modded Rs :?: Is it a good idea to change from one oil to another :?: do you need to look out for anything when switching oilss :?:
 

oilman

Member
MarkMc said:
Ive got Castrol Formual R synthetic 10w - 60, Is this any good for modded Rs :?: Is it a good idea to change from one oil to another :?: do you need to look out for anything when switching oilss :?:
The Castrol RS 10w-60 is just a hydrocracked mineral oil, and you could do much better by moving to a true synthetic. The grade at 10w-60 is a little thick. I would suggest a full synthetic 10w-50 PAO/Ester for best results.

Cheers

Guy.
 

oilman

Member
Re: ...

hmmm said:
Well if you take oilman's view, then he recommends 10w50. Wait for him to confirm that.
The Oilman agrees, as it is a turbo and well known the GTI-R likes a slightly thicker oil the 10w-50 is the way to go.

Cheers

Guy.
 
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MarkMc

Guest
Know this is a little off topic what do you think about Repsol Cartago :?: (gearbox, diff) oil any good. Thanks for the tip on hydro cracking castrol I assume this means not as good.(in short)
 

oilman

Member
Here's some info that explains the labelling of synthetics issue.

This was written by John Rowland (Chief R&D Chemist - Silkolene)

Costs of synthetics vary considerably.

The most expensive are the “Ester” types originally only used in jet engines. These cost 6 to 10 times more than high quality mineral oils.

The cheapest synthetics are not really synthetic at all, from a chemists point of view. These are in fact specially refined light viscosity mineral oils known as “hydrocracked”. These have some advantages over equivalent mineral oils, particularly in lower viscosity motor oils such as 5w-30 or other oils with a low “W” rating such as 5w-50 etc and they cost about 1.5 times more than good quality mineral fractions.

We use several different grades of this base oil, where appropriate. This is the “synthetic” which is always used in cheap oils that are labelled “synthetic”. Yes it’s a cruel world, you get what you pay for!

Now, you may ask, why are these special mineral oils called “synthetic”?

Well, it was all sorted in a legal battle that took place in the USA about ten years ago. Sound reasons (including evidence from a Nobel Prize winning chemist) were disregarded and the final ruling was that certain mineral bases that had undergone extra chemical treatments could be called “synthetic”.

Needless to say, the marketing executives wet their knickers with pure delight! They realised that this meant, and still does, that the critical buzz-word “synthetic” could be printed on a can of cheap oil provided that the contents included a few percent of “hydrocracked” mineral oil, at a cost of quite literally a few pence.

So, the chemistry of “synthetics” is complex and so is the politics!

The economics are very simple. If you like the look of a smart well-marketed can with “synthetic” printed on it, fair enough, it will not cost you a lot; and now you know why this is the case. But, if you drive a high performance car, and you intend to keep it for several years, and maybe do the odd “track day”, then you need a genuine Ester/PAO (Poly Alpha Olefin) synthetic oil.

This oil costs more money to buy, because it costs us a lot of money to make, very simply, you always get what you pay for!

Cheers
Guy
 
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micra_pete

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oilman, i have seen you here, and on the ssc, you would be most welcome on the micrasportclub, i see you have registered.

it is the minority of us on there who enjoy micra tuning as opposed to the stick on brigade, i am sure you would be most welcome there.
 
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KrissJ

Guest
Bloody hell, you sure do know a lot about oil!

Guess that's why you're called oilman :D

You've opened my eyes to a few things
 
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