SYNTHETIC MYTHS

oilman

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I read so much stuff on the internet about Synthetic Oils that is simply not true so I felt it was time to tell the truth rather than accept the myth.

So in future when you see someone state any of these, please do me a favour and point them at this thread!

Synthetic motor oils damage seals:

Complete Nonsense! Any oil seals made after 1975 or thereabouts will be entirely compatible with any type of synthetic engine oil. (The same goes for synthetic gear oils and transmission oil seals.) It must be understood that everything associated with lubrication is thoroughly tested. The major oil manufacturers do not make oils that attack seals; seal manufacturers ensure that their products function correctly with modern lubricants.

Synthetic oils are too thin:

It is true that the best synthetic blends can be low viscosity (0w-20 for example), but they do not have to be! It is also true that the latest engines are designed to run on thin oil, which improves power output and fuel consumption. Even so, thicker synthetic based grades (10w-50, 15w-50, 20w-50etc) are available for air-cooled motors, older engines, or severe high temperature conditions. These grades can also benefit rebuilt classic engines dating back to the 1940s.

Synthetics mean higher oil usage:

The complete opposite of the truth. Oil consumption in well-maintained modern engines is mainly down to the oil evaporating at high temperatures. Synthetic base oils (specially the PAO and ester types) are very resistant to evaporation loss even in low viscosity blends, so oil consumption is minimised. Obviously, engines with worn valve guides, defective seals and worn piston rings will use oil regardless, so there is no point in using expensive synthetics as an ‘old banger lube’.

Synthetic oils are not compatible with other oils:

All engine oils intended for normal road use in recent 4-stroke engines are compatible with one another, regardless of the base make-up. (mineral, PAO/ester/hydrocracked synthetic, and semi-synthetic.) There is no need to flush or strip down an engine when changing from one type to another. (…but be careful with the exception: castor oil based racing oils.)

Synthetic oils produce sludge:

Well honestly, this is just totally daft. All synthetic bases are more resistant to oxidation than mineral oil, and sludge is largely due to oxidation. In any case, all motor oils intended for road use meet the higher API specs such as SH, SJ, SL and diesel equivalents. One of the main reasons for introducing the API specs back in the 1950s was to deal with oil sludge problems. All high-spec oils run very clean, especially synthetics.

Synthetic oils cannot be used with catalytic converters:

‘Cats’ will perform more efficiently and last longer if synthetic based engine oil is used. Their lower volatility (see 3 above) means that less oil reaches the combustion chambers via crankcase ventilation, so there are less harmful ash residues from burnt oil to de-activate the catalyst matrix.

Synthetic oils can void warranties:

People who make statements such as this never define the type of synthetic, thus revealing their ignorance. Provided that an oil meets or exceeds the API and viscosity ranges specified in the handbook, the warranty will not be affected. (By law, OEMs cannot insist that a particular brand of oil must be used to maintain warranty.)

Synthetic oils will last forever:

The better synthetic blends will certainly last longer*, especially in high performance or high annual mileage situations, but ‘forever’ is not on, simply because contaminants such as soot, and acid gasses from traces of sulphur in the fuel degrade the oil.
(*Provided that a very shear resistant VI improver polymer is used in the oil formulation to keep the viscosity up to spec. This point is often forgotten.

Synthetic oils are too expensive:

True, for older vehicles that use a lot of oil or are almost ready for the scrap yard. For cars that are worth maintaining, the right types of synthetic oil are a cost-effective way of retaining ‘as new’ performance, low fuel consumption, and reducing maintenance costs. (See 6 above, for example. ‘Cats’ aren’t cheap!)

Cheers
Simon
 

Fast Guy

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oilman said:
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Synthetic motor oils damage seals:



Synthetic oils produce sludge:



Cheers
Simon
1) I know the RAF have synthetic hydraulic oils that damage certain rubber seals. Possibly people have been mistaking this type of oil for for motor oil in their arguements.

2) Didn't early synthetic cause sludge when mixed with normal mineral oils? Although this problem doesn't exist now.
 

ram5ay

Member
Hey oilman, is it true that a semi synthetic oil is better for turbo applications than a fully synthetic, due to calcification :? or something within the lubricated parts of the turbo caused by excessive heat?
 

Fire & skill

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ram5ay said:
Hey oilman, is it true that a semi synthetic oil is better for turbo applications than a fully synthetic, due to calcification :? or something within the lubricated parts of the turbo caused by excessive heat?
i have changed to using semi synthetic now rather than fully synthetic for that reason. no probs so far
 

Fast Guy

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Fire & skill said:
i have changed to using semi synthetic now rather than fully synthetic for that reason. no probs so far
Were you having problems before?
 

oilman

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ram5ay said:
Hey oilman, is it true that a semi synthetic oil is better for turbo applications than a fully synthetic, due to calcification :? or something within the lubricated parts of the turbo caused by excessive heat?
That should have been myth 10!

Synthetics are far better for turbo cars.

Cheers
Simon
 

Fire & skill

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Fast Guy said:
Fire & skill said:
i have changed to using semi synthetic now rather than fully synthetic for that reason. no probs so far
Were you having problems before?
from what ive been lead to believe the semi synthetic copes with turbo heat better - dissipates heat quicker. but i'm only at the trying it out stage :D i always thought fully synthetic was the best to use
 

oilman

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It's not quite as easy as that. The thinner the oil the better it dissapates heat. Think of metalworking as an example.

‘Thin oils’, if genuinely synthetic and therefore heat resistant, are excellent for turbocharger units because they cool the centre bearing and resist cokeing better than mineral or semi-synthetic oils, especially thick ones.

Cheers
Simon
 

Cris

Member
Putting Synthetics into some car is a waste of time IMHO.

My old 205GTI would use a shocking amount of oil (high mileage and watford gap clearances). Something like 1litre per 1,000 miles (about what my 2 stroke bike uses!). I gave up putting decent oil in that on the basis that it burned so quickly anyway is lifespan was generally lower than the oil change period (not quite sure why I bothered changing the oil, should have just changed the filter I suppose).

On the other hand with a decent (read modern) engine then I'd agree. My brother haulage firm did some tests with an oil supplier (can't remember who) to test some of their trucks running post synthetics. They'd drag the truck in every so often and take an oil sample and test it to see how the oil was coping. Apparently during the trail (and many miles) there was virtually no decay.

This was a truck engine (so low rpm but high compression) but none the less an interesting point.
 
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